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From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Mon Sep 13 22:21:03 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Daniel Lepage) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:21:03 -0400 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Re: Game? In-Reply-To: <3e8340490409121745706e24dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <912E17DC-0512-11D9-AE85-000A95842464@cornell.edu> <3e8340490409121745706e24dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sep 12, 2004, at 8.45 PM, Bryan Donlan wrote: > On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:22:08 -0400, Daniel Lepage > wrote: >> I finally got around to tallying the voting results and making all the >> necessary changes to the ruleset about a week ago, but discovered to >> my >> dismay that I couldn't post the results anywhere, because nomic.net >> was >> down. It turns out that Joel is having some DSL problems and won't be >> up again until at least the 19th of September. I gather this has >> something to do with an incompetent service provider, and hopefully >> will not be a problem in the future, either through finding a more >> reliable provider, or setting up some sort of co-location of the >> server >> so it can work even if one end fails. >> >> Anyway, this is why we've been out of action for two weeks, and will >> be >> for another week unless somebody has a backup list we can use. > > What about bnomic-public@ysolde.ucam.org and > bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org? Ok, I checked in on the backup lists and they seem to be working. If any of you aren't subscribed to them, you can subscribe at http://www.ysolde.ucam.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bnomic-public http://www.ysolde.ucam.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bnomic-private These are backup lists that were set up by... Wild Card, was it? ... many years ago, just in case they might be needed. I always feel so old when I say things like 'many years ago'.... it's hard to believe that the game's almost three years old. Anyway, Wild Card dropped out, but the lists still seem to be there, so unless somebody says we can't, I say we start using them as fora. I'll start things moving again as soon as I have any evidence to suggest that somebody besides me and bd is interested in continuing the game. -- Wonko The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun. -- Buckminster Fuller From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Mon Sep 13 22:49:15 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Jonathan David Amery) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:49:15 +0100 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Re: Game? In-Reply-To: Message from Daniel Lepage of "Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:21:03 EDT." References: <912E17DC-0512-11D9-AE85-000A95842464@cornell.edu> <3e8340490409121745706e24dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > These are backup lists that were set up by... Wild Card, was it? ... > many years ago, just in case they might be needed. > > I always feel so old when I say things like 'many years ago'.... it's > hard to believe that the game's almost three years old. > > Anyway, Wild Card dropped out, but the lists still seem to be there, so > unless somebody says we can't, I say we start using them as fora. > Yeah. Feel free to use them; I've still got enough effort to do list administration things... WC. From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Mon Sep 13 23:02:01 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Iain Scott) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:02:01 +0100 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Re: Game? In-Reply-To: References: <3e8340490409121745706e24dc@mail.gmail.com> <912E17DC-0512-11D9-AE85-000A95842464@cornell.edu> <3e8340490409121745706e24dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20040913230058.03d40940@mail.free-online.net> Oops, meant that to go to everybody... >From: Iain Scott >Subject: Re: [Bnomic-private] Re: Game? > >designate 'em appropiately, and Ill see about a PGo move... > >also agree re: need for funish subgames... > >cheers, >Iain >At 22:21 13/09/04, you wrote: > > >>On Sep 12, 2004, at 8.45 PM, Bryan Donlan wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:22:08 -0400, Daniel Lepage wrote: >>>>I finally got around to tallying the voting results and making all the >>>>necessary changes to the ruleset about a week ago, but discovered to my >>>>dismay that I couldn't post the results anywhere, because nomic.net was >>>>down. It turns out that Joel is having some DSL problems and won't be >>>>up again until at least the 19th of September. I gather this has >>>>something to do with an incompetent service provider, and hopefully >>>>will not be a problem in the future, either through finding a more >>>>reliable provider, or setting up some sort of co-location of the server >>>>so it can work even if one end fails. >>>> >>>>Anyway, this is why we've been out of action for two weeks, and will be >>>>for another week unless somebody has a backup list we can use. >>> >>>What about bnomic-public@ysolde.ucam.org and bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org? >> >>Ok, I checked in on the backup lists and they seem to be working. If any >>of you aren't subscribed to them, you can subscribe at >> >>http://www.ysolde.ucam.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bnomic-public >>http://www.ysolde.ucam.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/bnomic-private >> >>These are backup lists that were set up by... Wild Card, was it? ... >>many years ago, just in case they might be needed. >> >>I always feel so old when I say things like 'many years ago'.... it's >>hard to believe that the game's almost three years old. >> >>Anyway, Wild Card dropped out, but the lists still seem to be there, so >>unless somebody says we can't, I say we start using them as fora. >> >>I'll start things moving again as soon as I have any evidence to suggest >>that somebody besides me and bd is interested in continuing the game. >> >> >>-- >>Wonko >> >>The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun. >> -- Buckminster Fuller >> >> >> >> >> >>--- >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/04 From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Mon Sep 13 23:05:44 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Norinel) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 18:05:44 -0400 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Re: Game? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0EEC0566-05D1-11D9-9E81-000A958069F6@aftran.com> On Monday, September 13, 2004, at 05:21 PM, Daniel Lepage wrote: > I'll start things moving again as soon as I have any evidence to > suggest that somebody besides me and bd is interested in continuing > the game. I'm around and have joined the new list, but I don't know how involved I can be. -Norinel From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Tue Sep 14 08:47:38 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Drew Logan) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:47:38 +0400 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Bnomic-private s0ftware at incredibly low prices Message-ID: ----098376629164220043 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TOP quality software:

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?2N47A3zVjC9Xk2yyeast|b= nomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org">or un*su*bs*cr*ibe =20 ----095004567433844-- From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Thu Sep 16 00:10:18 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Norinel) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:10:18 -0400 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Re: [BNomic-Public] Actions In-Reply-To: <41A5D80A-071E-11D9-AC2E-000A95842464@cornell.edu> Message-ID: <69088102-076C-11D9-8339-000A958069F6@aftran.com> On Wednesday, September 15, 2004, at 09:50 AM, Daniel Lepage wrote: > Since we did away with the speed limit a while ago, and since y'all > were kind enough to vote for my prop to remove the only obstacle to my > doing this, I now repeat the act of calling elections on all free > ministries 50 times. At twenty points per fulfillment, this shoots me > past the 1000-pt mark. > > I Win. Which is exactly why I voted shelve on that proposal. Do I get some I Told You So points for that? -Norinel From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Thu Sep 16 03:36:40 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Daniel Lepage) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:36:40 -0400 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Re: [BNomic-Public] Actions In-Reply-To: <69088102-076C-11D9-8339-000A958069F6@aftran.com> References: <69088102-076C-11D9-8339-000A958069F6@aftran.com> Message-ID: <3D45A987-0789-11D9-B954-000A95842464@cornell.edu> On Sep 15, 2004, at 7.10 PM, Norinel wrote: > On Wednesday, September 15, 2004, at 09:50 AM, Daniel Lepage wrote: > >> Since we did away with the speed limit a while ago, and since y'all >> were kind enough to vote for my prop to remove the only obstacle to >> my doing this, I now repeat the act of calling elections on all free >> ministries 50 times. At twenty points per fulfillment, this shoots me >> past the 1000-pt mark. >> >> I Win. > > Which is exactly why I voted shelve on that proposal. Do I get some I > Told You So points for that? Well, technically you said that you "agreed with the spirit of the proposal"... and the spirit of the proposal was to remove the only obstacle to my winning... so in a certain sense you really agreed with my doing this before I did it... :p -- Wonko From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Thu Sep 16 05:55:55 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Daniel Lepage) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:55:55 -0400 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Re: Actions In-Reply-To: <20040916043111.A6751@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com> References: <69088102-076C-11D9-8339-000A958069F6@aftran.com> <3D45A987-0789-11D9-B954-000A95842464@cornell.edu> <20040916043111.A6751@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com> Message-ID: On Sep 15, 2004, at 11.31 PM, Jeremy Cook wrote: > I'm glad we're getting back to this, but there's not much we can do > without the Wiki. I can't update the Roster, because it's on the Wiki. > The list archives aren't up either, so I'd miss all the stuff that > happened a few weeks ago. This weekend I'll probably have time to fix up the backup wiki, but it still will be missing all changes from the past few nweeks. O'course, by this weekend the real wiki should be back up, so it'll be a moot point, but still. I think in the future we should require data like that to be posted to a mailing list say, once an nweek, so that we can deal with server loss, etc. fairly fluidly. > But since Wonko Won, all points are destroyed, so the following is a > temporary Roster: > > All players have 0 points. > > Oh, and I notice we don't have the circuit breaker either. I call an > election for the FCC 50,000,000,000 times. I Win 1,000,000,000 times. My win was better than your win! :P Seriously, though, it would be nice to have a good way of dealing with this sort of thing. I never liked the Circuit breaker because it struck me as awfully crude, and it also could be a stumbling block for otherwise-good scams. Like somebody or other said, we need more good scams. At the same time, there's not much fun in letting scams like this appear and just letting everybody claim a billion wins. I'd prefer that the number of wins each player has reflect the number of clever things e's done, not the number of clever things e's been around to mimic. I can see a couple ways to do this, each with its pros and cons: 1) Make a 'patent' system, where a player can patent a scam. A CFI can determine that another scam attempt was too similar to the first to warrant working, and thus can nullify the effects of mimic-scams. 2) Put wins up to vote. Each player can rate each win each nweek, on a scale of, say, 0 to 20. Anything rated below a 5 is ignored and unrecorded; above 5, the average rating is recorded on some 'total cleverness to date' scale. This would also allow for other props to increase cleverness when a scam that didn't end in a win happened. 3) Break ways of winning into a couple of categories, and do a circuit-breaker thing on each category. For example, we could have 'win by amassing points', 'win by generation of unlimited points', 'win by Tildex', etc. > And it's not clear to me that only the last election matters. They all > began on the same nday, so they all end at the same time. I don't know > what to make of that. I claim that they happen 'simultaneously in sequential order', so that they all happen at once, but the effects are calculated as if they'd happened in the order they started. I say this because we have to have some interpretation, and this is as good as any, and also supported by the rules on proposals. > What nday is it, by the way? 2. It became nday one when I sent out the ballot results. -- Wonko "Write a wise saying and your name will live forever" -Anonymous From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Thu Sep 16 23:52:31 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Bruno Boyle) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:52:31 -0500 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Bnomic-private Windows XP + Office XP = $80. 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?2N47A3zVjC9Xk2ypeg|bnomi= c-private@ysolde.ucam.org">or un*su*bs*cr*ibe =20 ----37822673459427155-- From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Fri Sep 17 11:44:21 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Norinel) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 06:44:21 -0400 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Re: Actions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <88719823-0896-11D9-ACE2-000A958069F6@aftran.com> On Thursday, September 16, 2004, at 12:55 AM, Daniel Lepage wrote: > At the same time, there's not much fun in letting scams like this > appear and just letting everybody claim a billion wins. I'd prefer > that the number of wins each player has reflect the number of clever > things e's done, not the number of clever things e's been around to > mimic. Or winning could be based on something besides scams. But that's a philosophy thing. > I can see a couple ways to do this, each with its pros and cons: My idea for scam patenting/stopping is if a definable scam circumstance occurs (Like, say, the same player wins twice in one nday), most of the gamestate resets to exactly the way it was the day before the last completed Voting Period. Of course, that could be a logistical nightmare, and a formal proposal'd need to define "most", and stuff. -Norinel From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Fri Sep 17 12:25:50 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Iain Scott) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:25:50 +0100 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Re: Actions In-Reply-To: <88719823-0896-11D9-ACE2-000A958069F6@aftran.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.1.20040917122424.036d73c0@mail.free-online.net> At 11:44 17/09/04, you wrote: >Or winning could be based on something besides scams. But that's a >philosophy thing. Nah... the whole point of nomics is that it imposible to constuct a ruleset which dosent start to contradict itself or leave loopholes... cheers, Iain From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Fri Sep 17 13:55:03 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Jeremy Cook) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:55:03 +0100 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Re: Actions In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.1.20040917122424.036d73c0@mail.free-online.net>; from iop@iainscott.free-online.co.uk on Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 12:25:50PM +0100 References: <88719823-0896-11D9-ACE2-000A958069F6@aftran.com> <5.1.1.6.1.20040917122424.036d73c0@mail.free-online.net> Message-ID: <20040917135503.A10457@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com> On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 12:25:50PM +0100, Iain Scott wrote: > At 11:44 17/09/04, you wrote: > > >Or winning could be based on something besides scams. But that's a > >philosophy thing. > > > Nah... the whole point of nomics is that it imposible to constuct a ruleset > which dosent start to contradict itself or leave loopholes... Well, winning is based on something besides scams; it's based on getting 1000 points. Scams are currently the easiest way to do this, since otherwise it would take twenty or so nweeks. It's always possible to build a scam, but there are Nomics more focused on the process of playing than the creation of loopholes. (Suber originally distinguished 'procedural' and 'substantive' games; a better distinction might be procedural vs. substantive players.) Zarpint From bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org Fri Sep 17 19:41:44 2004 From: bnomic-private@ysolde.ucam.org (Sabrina Kerr) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:41:44 +0400 Subject: [Bnomic-private] Bnomic-private Best software prices. Message-ID: ----7436759473719055939 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TOP quality software:

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