[BNomic-Public] Wonko's refresh prop

[Zarpint Jeremy Cook]

AFAIK societies are not "property" in the sense alcoholic beverages or Gnomes or something
are. You may at the current time have effective control over them, but they aren't objects
in your possession.

Also, if you don't like a refresh prop making certain changes, include that change to Rule 0
in your refresh prop, but until that or another such prop passes, there's no reason for
player support other than supporting you wanting to keep them.


Also, it seems a dangerous precedent to set that a refresh prop may not take away an object
or society from a player. While in this case such an action is not needed to maintain the game,
it might be at some time.

Also the third, if players are prohibited from otherwise legal actions when On Leave, they are
prohibited from being forced to do them by a society. It looks to me like they are so prohibited.


Zarpint


On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Glotmorf wrote:

> In eir refresh prop, Wonko is proposing the destruction of, among other things,
> Athena's Society and OrcTech, both of which effectively belong to me.  I have
> objected to this, but so far e's still insisting that that should be part of eir refresh prop.
>
> First of all, I dislike the idea that a player's possessions might be simply voted out of
> existence because another player doesn't see a purpose for them.  I don't like it
> happening to me, and I suspect no one else would want it to happen to them.
>
> But while I dislike the idea of doing it as a proposal, I truly resent it being done as a
> refresh prop, since a refresh prop doesn't even require majority approval.  Once the
> Procedure begins, it will implement a proposed refresh prop, whichever one that is,
> and if there's only one refresh prop that one will get implemented because there's no
> other to choose from.
>
> Therefore, Wonko's very proposing of a refresh prop that destroys my societies
> would in fact guarantee their destruction, in the name of "cleaning up".  Only my
> submission of another refresh prop prevents Wonko's "cleaning up" from occurring
> solely on eir say-so.
>
> I'll try to keep my refresh prop current as per comparable changes in Wonko's, but I
> ask for player support for my refresh prop in the name of sanctity of property.
>
> 						Glotmorf
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