Having heard no objections, I'll assume that the continuation of me as Admin and this list as Public Forum is acceptable. The Pause is initialized. It's at 0 now, and will turn over to 1 in a few hours. Get those refresh proposals in, folks! ...dave -- David E. Smith http://www.technopagan.org/ http://metadave.net/ "You know I don't approve of violence ... but these ARE deadly robots!"