[Bnomic-private] Re: State of Emergency

[Glotmorf]

On 17 Dec 2003 at 23:19, Daniel Lepage wrote:

> 
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 11:10 PM, Glotmorf wrote:
> 
> > On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:08, Daniel Lepage wrote:
> >
> >> Athena's Society does not have the power to enforce its Tontine
> >> regulations - a player on the verge of Garbage Collection must be On
> >> Leave, and On Leave players may not take actions. Which is probably 
> >> not
> >> a good thing, as coming On Leave is an action.
> >
> > Interestingly, Athena's Society's charter was considered to
> > have had the power to enforce its Tontine on Orc in a
> > Spacesuit; eir points got transferred to the remaining members
> > just before e got GCed, and that was sufficiently long ago
> > that it's now a legal action.
> >
> > Interestingly, r205, in the most recent form I have on file
> > (205/5), says a player comes Off Leave when e performs an
> > action.  It then goes on to say that while a player is On
> > Leave, e cannot perform actions.  If we were to look at the
> > combination of these two, one might interpret it to say that
> > any actual action a player performs must be while Off Leave,
> > and if e happens to be On Leave at the time that's assumed to
> > end as soon as the action is performed.
> >
> > In which case, Mr. in a Spacesuit's compulsory action of
> > yielding all eir points to eir fellow Athenians should have
> > taken em Off Leave, at which point e'd be GCed three nweeks
> > later instead.
> 
> R205 states that a player comes Off Leave when e takes an action. It 
> also states that e cannot take actions. Therefore, e cannot come Off 
> Leave. Your logic requires that posting an action to a public forum 
> causes you to take that action; this is not true if the action is one 
> forbidden to you by the rules, and for a player On Leave all actions 
> are forbidden.
> 
> I believe that Mr. in a Spacesuit's destruction and the subsequent 
> reclamation of eir possessions by Athena's Society was illegal; it only 
> happened because of the Statute of Limitations.

Okay...when is an action/event a SoL-sanctioned freak 
occurrence, and when is it a sufficiently frequent occurrence 
as to become game tradition and de facto rule?  Had no one 
before now come off leave, one could reasonably argue that 
r205 is a trap that doesn't allow them to do so, but there 
have been many instances -- at least one by almost every 
player -- of a player going on leave and coming off leave 
again.  Enough, in my mind, to set a precedent.

I submit that this precedent indicates the proper 
interpretation of r205 is that it is impossible to take an 
action and remain on leave -- that the act of taking an action 
causes one to become off leave.  I submit that the purpose and 
usefulness of such a rule is not to prevent action, but in 
fact to prevent action being performed under a safety net of 
being on leave.

Now, if you want a hole to patch, you might want to look at 
Lurking.  A player who is Lurking is not restricted from 
performing any action, but cannot be GCed.

						Glotmorf

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