[Bnomic-private] Re: State of Emergency

[SkArcher]

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:12:55 -0500, Daniel Lepage <dpl33@cornell.edu> 
wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 11:55 PM, SkArcher wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:19:37 -0500, Daniel Lepage <dpl33@cornell.edu> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 11:10 PM, Glotmorf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17 Dec 2003 at 22:08, Daniel Lepage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Athena's Society does not have the power to enforce its Tontine
>>>>> regulations - a player on the verge of Garbage Collection must be On
>>>>> Leave, and On Leave players may not take actions. Which is probably 
>>>>> not
>>>>> a good thing, as coming On Leave is an action.
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly, Athena's Society's charter was considered to
>>>> have had the power to enforce its Tontine on Orc in a
>>>> Spacesuit; eir points got transferred to the remaining members
>>>> just before e got GCed, and that was sufficiently long ago
>>>> that it's now a legal action.
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly, r205, in the most recent form I have on file
>>>> (205/5), says a player comes Off Leave when e performs an
>>>> action.  It then goes on to say that while a player is On
>>>> Leave, e cannot perform actions.  If we were to look at the
>>>> combination of these two, one might interpret it to say that
>>>> any actual action a player performs must be while Off Leave,
>>>> and if e happens to be On Leave at the time that's assumed to
>>>> end as soon as the action is performed.
>>>>
>>>> In which case, Mr. in a Spacesuit's compulsory action of
>>>> yielding all eir points to eir fellow Athenians should have
>>>> taken em Off Leave, at which point e'd be GCed three nweeks
>>>> later instead.
>>>
>>> R205 states that a player comes Off Leave when e takes an action. It 
>>> also states that e cannot take actions. Therefore, e cannot come Off 
>>> Leave. Your logic requires that posting an action to a public forum 
>>> causes you to take that action; this is not true if the action is one 
>>> forbidden to you by the rules, and for a player On Leave all actions 
>>> are forbidden.
>>>
>>> I believe that Mr. in a Spacesuit's destruction and the subsequent 
>>> reclamation of eir possessions by Athena's Society was illegal; it 
>>> only happened because of the Statute of Limitations.
>>>
>>
>> the statement requiring players of Athena society surely acts with the 
>> enforcement of the rule which states something like 'Societies have the 
>> right to restrict or mandate players actions in ways specified in their 
>> charter? (sorry, don't have a set of rules handy right now) Because 
>> this would be a limitation on the players actions, that rule permits 
>> (and indeed, enforces) their forced action of giving out all eir points.
>
> The societies rule explicitly states that players may not be forced to 
> perform actions they could not perform anyway. Otherwise, I could create 
> a society and have it "force" me to take all the points from the Gremlin 
> Fund, or something along those lines.
>

Taking points from the Gremlin fund is not allowed under the rules. Giving 
points away is allowed under the rules. I concur with Glotmorf on his 
analysis of prevailing interpretation of the On Leave/Off Leave dilemma.

It needs better wording, but...

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